Excuse me Kabam, how are we supposed to defeat Enchantress on these AW nodes (2024)

• Siliyo Posts: 1,446 ★★★★★

  August 26

  In regards to Heavy Hitter, it sounds like you’ll need a Secutor champ who has a Slow in their kit in order to counter her heavy safely. Unless there’s a small window to counter her heavy at the very end of the unstoppable

  Regarding everything else, it will make her more annoying. You’ll probably have to use Petrify champions/Mr Fantastic prefights to deal with her

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• PT_99 Posts: 3,838 ★★★★★

  August 26

  Silk maybe, she applies hard slow if enemy against wall.

  But in off-season I'm also trying to see if non-tagged heroes can work

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• tmnt45 Posts: 27 ★

  August 26

  this war meta nd the counters for these fights is a joke and an insult to the player base. this will be the worst war season to date

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• captain_rogers Posts: 7,188 ★★★★★

  August 26

  FunnyDude said:

  New war tactic is Provocateur, Enchantress is tagged as Provocateur so we can only use "Secutor" champions (I'm open to other no-tag champion but I doubt it's possible), now imagine she is placed on these nodes:
  

  • Power focus 1: 60% more power while below 1 bar.
    
  • power focus 2: 60% more power while below 2 bars.
    
  • aspect of evolution + enhanced power gain: 100% power-again effect and permanently gain 5% more power after filling a bar of power.
    
  • power efficiency: consume -50% power while using SP
    
  • heavy-hitter: unstoppable heavy
    

  Honestly, I just don't know how to fight her with "Secutor" champions.

  You can abuse the power focus 2. First initially complete her prompts. When she gets to 1 bar power, play super safe, play defensive and never let her throw a special. Due to power focus 2, after 2 bar of power, she barely gets any power, so she wouldn't be able to gain much power until you nuke her. Bonus points if you use a tech champ with max collar tech or some sort of power control.

  But agreed, She is such a poor design.

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• Savage123456789 Posts: 721 ★★★

  August 26

  Fighting her relies a lot of on AI cooperation. The number of times I tried to intercept her in EQ and she wouldn’t play ball. If it’s power focus node, then she will get a bar of power before I can do that. I don’t know why they are good at saying we don’t want to do too much when it’s something players will enjoy but when it comes things that we all know has a significant chance of going wrong, yeah we can test it out and see all at once. They put too much defense utility plus AI cooperation when we are complaining a lot about the AI

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• FunnyDude Posts: 510 ★★★★

  August 26 edited August 26

  PT_99 said:

  Silk maybe, she applies hard slow if enemy against wall.

  But in off-season I'm also trying to see if non-tagged heroes can work

  There is 0% chance of using silk and Shuri in the new season, they will be 100% banned in this season and on blacklist next season, so I would exclude them from any discussion of this tactic.

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• BigBlueOx Posts: 1,869 ★★★★★

  August 26

  FunnyDude said:

  PT_99 said:

  Silk maybe, she applies hard slow if enemy against wall.

  But in off-season I'm also trying to see if non-tagged heroes can work

  There is 0% chance of using silk and Shuri in the new season, they will be 100% banned in this season and on blacklist next season, so I would exclude them from any discussion of this tactic.

  Agree, I think the scariest combo is Enchantress and Unstoppable heavy. Silk is the only tactic option with easy access to slow (when duped). After her, and she’s likely banned every war that matters, the other unstoppable counters all are problematic.

  -AntiVenom - Needs 30 hits
  -Sandman, needs an SP2
  -Spidey99, needs an SP3

  Each of these options are highly likely to eat casting damage before they can build to the required utility needed to play her mini-game, and honestly in T2 and above Spidey is also a potential ban target.

  The only non-tactic option that seems possibly safe is QS… but I don’t think it will be because of hit 13-hit combos triggering the powergain constantly. It needs testing to be sure either way.

  We need this attacker list looked at more seriously or Enchantress shouldn’t be a tactic defender if these are the only attackers.

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• The_0wenpus Posts: 217 ★★

  August 26

  Enchantress needs an ability section like "This champion's combat power rate may not be modified by nodes. This champion may not gain unstoppable from nodes."

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• pseudosane Posts: 3,930 Guardian

  August 26

  i've brought this up as well.

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• BigBlueOx Posts: 1,869 ★★★★★

  August 26

  pseudosane said:

  i've brought this up as well.

  Appreciate you taking this to the team
  

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• Magrailothos Posts: 5,742 ★★★★★

  August 26 edited August 26

  @FunnyDude

  Excuse me Kabam, how are we supposed to defeat Enchantress on these AW nodes?

  • Power focus 1: 60% more power while below 1 bar.
    
  • power focus 2: 60% more power while below 2 bars.
    
  • aspect of evolution + enhanced power gain: 100% power-again effect and permanently gain 5% more power after filling a bar of power.
    
  • power efficiency: consume -50% power while using SP
    
  • Heavy-hitter: unstoppable heavy
    

  

  In fairness to Kabam, they couldn't possibly have predicted this might happen, when they introduced a 5/5 Defender who needs to be attacked in an almost indefensibly rigid way.

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• kus234 Posts: 259 ★★

  August 26

  What if she is at boss node with HT and Silk Banned?

• FunnyDude Posts: 510 ★★★★

  August 26

  kus234 said:

  What if she is at boss node with HT and Silk Banned?

  Silk is not very good at boss fight, I’m also OK if Kabam said boss fight is supposed to be hard
  the problem is she is too hard on those nodes, even if she is not global defender, and she actually is…

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• kus234 Posts: 259 ★★

  August 27

  FunnyDude said:

  kus234 said:

  What if she is at boss node with HT and Silk Banned?

  Silk is not very good at boss fight, I’m also OK if Kabam said boss fight is supposed to be hard
  the problem is she is too hard on those nodes, even if she is not global defender, and she actually is…

  So no need to fear and ban skill if Enchatress is at the boss node..
  

• YoMoves Posts: 1,283 ★★★★

  August 27

  Everyone talking about Silk as the counter like the Right Back At It node isn't going to go 'hi there, you and your slow can piss right off, thanks'

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• BigBlueOx Posts: 1,869 ★★★★★

  August 27

  YoMoves said:

  Everyone talking about Silk as the counter like the Right Back At It node isn't going to go 'hi there, you and your slow can piss right off, thanks'

  Oh that’s a whole other problem… you just gotta stack the debuffs prior to knock downs and hope that it goes well

• Cretzu Posts: 7 ★

  August 27

  Not to mention when these defenders are placed on the second node on path 1A. Debuffs make them go unblockable. The only way to shut down the defender tactic is through debuffs. Imagine destroyer on that node, he will be unblockable and you can’t intercept him. Good work Kabam.

• EdisonLaw Posts: 5,353 ★★★★★

  August 27

  Luke Cage? Concussion, access to exhaustion, debilitate (Enchantress weakness), etc.

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• Bendy Posts: 5,258 ★★★★★

  August 27

  EdisonLaw said:

  Luke Cage? Concussion, access to exhaustion, debilitate (Enchantress weakness), etc.

  I was thinking him but would still be a tough fight

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• JT_Supreme Posts: 1,136 ★★★★

  August 27

  captain_rogers said:

  FunnyDude said:

  New war tactic is Provocateur, Enchantress is tagged as Provocateur so we can only use "Secutor" champions (I'm open to other no-tag champion but I doubt it's possible), now imagine she is placed on these nodes:
  

  • Power focus 1: 60% more power while below 1 bar.
    
  • power focus 2: 60% more power while below 2 bars.
    
  • aspect of evolution + enhanced power gain: 100% power-again effect and permanently gain 5% more power after filling a bar of power.
    
  • power efficiency: consume -50% power while using SP
    
  • heavy-hitter: unstoppable heavy
    

  Honestly, I just don't know how to fight her with "Secutor" champions.

  You can abuse the power focus 2. First initially complete her prompts. When she gets to 1 bar power, play super safe, play defensive and never let her throw a special. Due to power focus 2, after 2 bar of power, she barely gets any power, so she wouldn't be able to gain much power until you nuke her. Bonus points if you use a tech champ with max collar tech or some sort of power control.

  But agreed, She is such a poor design.

  She seems to throw sp1 pretty quick when I’ve been fighting her. she’ll probably throw her sp1 even if you 4 hit combo and then block. I get specials thrown into my block often with various champs. So you could risk it but likely wouldn’t work.

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• ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 3,216 ★★★★★

  August 27

  it's like Kabam learnt all the wrong lessons from Serpent when they needed another 5/5 defender

• Cuber2906 Posts: 115 ★

  August 27

  red guardian with sp1 slow?

• FunnyDude Posts: 510 ★★★★

  August 27

  @Kabam Crashed
  Now we all know you play T1 war, please try it and let us know how you feel.

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• BigBlueOx Posts: 1,869 ★★★★★

  August 28

  Any updates on this? Only 3 off-season wars left and this seems unaddressed

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• Bendy Posts: 5,258 ★★★★★

  August 28 edited August 28

  BigBlueOx said:

  Any updates on this? Only 3 off-season wars left and this seems unaddressed

  They updated the war boss node so hopefully other changes get made

  Edit: the changes

  ELITE

  Stun Immunity
  Enhanced Recovery - 100
  Adaptive
  Champion Boost 300%
  Health Boost 700%

  EXPERT

  Stun Immunity
  Enhanced Recovery - 50
  Adaptive
  Champion Boost 300%
  Health Boost 700%

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• FunnyDude Posts: 510 ★★★★

  August 28 edited August 28

  BigBlueOx said:

  Any updates on this? Only 3 off-season wars left and this seems unaddressed

  I'm very pessimistic on having any fix before the new season, I wouldn't say 100% but 80% of the time, they just ignore the issue until the new season starts and more players complain.
  

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• BigBlueOx Posts: 1,869 ★★★★★

  August 28

  FunnyDude said:

  BigBlueOx said:

  Any updates on this? Only 3 off-season wars left and this seems unaddressed

  I'm very pessimistic on having any fix before the new season, I wouldn't say 100% but 80% of the time, they just ignore the issue until the new season starts and more players complain.
  

  I know… that has been the trend for a while now.

  Oversights are identified by the community, we get asked to cover up for the negligence with our own resources, they adjust fairly for the next season, and the cycle starts again with the next new tactic.

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• pseudosane Posts: 3,930 Guardian

  August 28

  I dont think this will be changed. Supposedly there are options. Now , personally, I have no idea what they are, but they exist.

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• BigBlueOx Posts: 1,869 ★★★★★

  August 28

  pseudosane said:

  I dont think this will be changed. Supposedly there are options. Now , personally, I have no idea what they are, but they exist.

  I’m only aware of one option outside of the ones I listed earlier. Aiden on Vega’s Enchantress stream pointed out that Negs gets a 5 second slow after his evade from a photon synergy… not sure how practical it will be though

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