Should organic chemistry be a doctor killer? (2024)

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Arlen Meyers, MD, MBA

President and CEO, Society of Physician Entrepreneurs, another lousy golfer, terrible cook, friction fixer

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A recent article described the termination of an NYU organic chemistry professor in response to a student petition. When the professor pushed students’ grades down, noting the egregious misconduct, he said they protested that “they were not given grades that would allow them to get into medical school.” The reporter noted that, in short, this one unhappy chemistry class could be a case study of the pressures on higher education as it tries to handle its Gen-Z student body. Should universities ease pressure on students, many of whom are still coping with the pandemic’s effects on their mental health and schooling? How should universities respond to the increasing number of complaints by students against professors? Do students have too much power over contract faculty members, who do not have the protections of tenure?

And how hard should organic chemistry be anyway? One faculty member said, “Unless you appreciate these transformations at the molecular level, I don’t think you can be a good physician, and I don’t want you treating patients.”

But how about artificial intelligence as a major? Though many workers view generative artificial intelligence as a threat to white-collar jobs, younger generations hope to build careers around the technology. Enter undergraduate AI-engineering programs, with the University of Pennsylvania on Tuesday becoming the first Ivy League school to say it will offer the major in the fall. Robert Ghrist, an associate dean at Penn Engineering, acknowledged in a statement that the program is challenging to design — and pursue. “We are training students for jobs that don’t yet exist in fields that may be completely new or revolutionized by the time they graduate,” he said.

I know the feeling. While organic chemistry is termed a "doctor killer" by premedical students, getting any grade less than an "A", typically in science, technology, engineering, or math subjects, can doom your application. When I saw that B I got in physics in my junior year of college, I started thinking about Plan B. Then I really learned the gravity of the situation.

Despite the noise and groaning,medical school applications continue to grow,driven by many factors.However, the medical school education model dates back to the Flexner report issued in 1910.. Many are trying to address the challenges ofhow to train the biomedical research and practice workforce to win the 4th industrial revolution,but progress has been slow.Here were the challenges facing medical schools in 2015.Things have not radically changed. Medical educators. particularly those in public medical schools will continue to face several basic problems in the coming years. The "invisible enemy" has exacerbated many.

We should rethink how we recruit and accept medical students.

Here are some questions that should inform that transition:

  1. Do doctors really need to be that "smart"? GPAs can vary significantly across different medical schools, so it pays to do your research before applying. The Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) reported an average GPA for medical school of 3.60 across all applicants for the 2021-2022 application cycle. For the same year, applicants had an average science GPA of 3.49 and an average non-science GPA of 3.74.
  2. What kind of intelligence do doctors need to meet the needs of their stakeholders and communities?

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3. Do patients really care what grade their doctor got in organic chemistry, or, for that matter, whether they graduated last in their class from medical school?

4. How has the pandemic and the persona of Gen Z changed medical education?

5. What do doctors and patients need to know to win the 4th industrial revolution? Organic chemistry?

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6. How does the present system and its reliance on undergraduate STEM academic performance impact inequitable socioeconomic and demographic acceptance rates?

9. Is the purpose of a medical school education solely to graduate students who have the knowledge, skills, abilities, and competencies to take care of patients, or, should we provide them with exit ramps too?

10. How do we balance a medical culture of conformity with a culture of creativity?

If everyone outside hard-core engineering, math or pre-med courses can easily get an A, the whole system loses meaning. It fails to make distinctions between different levels of achievement or to motivate students to work hard on their academic pursuits. All the while, it allows students to pretend—to themselves and to others—that they are performing exceptionally well. Worse, this system creates perverse incentives. To name but one, it actively punishes those who take risks by enrolling in truly challenging courses.

The ability to develop crisp mental models around the problems you want to solve and understanding the why before you start working on the how is an increasingly critical skill, especially in the age of AI. Coding is one of the things AI does best and its capabilities are quickly improving. However, there’s a catch: Code created by an AI can be syntactically and semantically correct but not functionally correct. In other words, it can work well, but not do what you want it to do. Having a crisp mental model around a problem, being able to break it down into steps that are tractable, perfect first-principle thinking, sometimes being prepared (and able to) debate a stubborn AI — these are the skills that will make a great engineer in the future, and likely the same consideration applies to many job categories, including medicine.

I'm lucky that I dodged the bullet. But I still have Plan B.

Arlen Meyers, MD, MBA is the President and CEO of the Society of Physician Entrepreneurs on Substack

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Your grade in Organic Chemistry has a lot to do with who's teaching the course. Despite the fact I had a Nobel Prize winning professor, he could not teach if his life depended on it. He had no sense of organization and was constantly jumping around to talk about concepts for which he had not yet laid a foundation. I dropped the course and took it with another professor in a later semester. The difference between the two professors' teaching style was like night and day. The second professor laid out the course in a completely organized manner, proceeded logically and had great outlines to simply learning complex topics. No doubt if I hadn't dropped the first course, I would have struggled mightily to get a good grade, with much head banging involved.

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Even Alan Dershowitz is weighing in on this subject:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQA2gd_avYU

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IMHO, the primary trait of people selected for admission to medical schools from the overwhelming pool of applicants is the ability to take tests, which depends on experience at test-taking; ability to psych out professors and, by no means wholly, on smarts.I sat on the admission committee for the University of Colorado School of Medicine.All applicants presented resumes that made them sound like a combination of Jonas Salk and Mother Teresa.When we chose newly minted physicians for our highly-regarded family medicine residency, where we’d interviewed about 10-15 times more candidates than we had slots for, I was struck by the fact that how far we’d had to go down in our rank-ordering of applicants had nothing to do with the quality of each class.Once we’d weeded out the undesirables and ranked a few superstars, we might as well have taken all the remaining applications and thrown them down a flight of stairs then ranked them in their landing order, starting at the top stair or the bottom one.How one does in organic chemistry as an undergraduate is one of the worst ways I can imagine to decide who gets to be a physician.

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Arlen, the questions you pose are reasonable and thought provoking. But I am already seeing a dumbing down of young doctors to the detriment of doctors and patients. Patients traditionally have had respect for doctors because “they were the best and the brightest.” That is eroded when young doctors have middling smarts and more committed to WOKE agendas that true hard earned excellence. Tom Gumprecht, ABIM, ABO

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