Kabam, please explain: Nefaria >>> Shafra (2025)

• Bendy Member Posts: 5,939 ★★★★★

  October 1

  She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

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• WhiteKnight Member Posts: 509 ★★★

  October 1

  Bendy said:

  She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

  I've seen people fight him with Shafra and he still gets to sp3 often... Chavez works better for his lower gain and even Nefaria power controls him (granted its restricted thanks to Kabam making him OP) but 50% passive power reduction isn't far off what Shafra does

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• 13579rebel_ Member Posts: 2,731 ★★★★★

  October 1

  I actually knew Nefaria before I came to the game

  I knew nothing about Shathra until this year's summoner's choice

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• NONYABIZZ Member Posts: 473 ★★★

  October 1

  Shatras damage is not mid, you literally can spam back to back sp2's, which TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO ACQUIRE.
  Shathra is a very good mystic champion, has atrophy, works very well against serpent can take alot of cosmic defenders and is NON RELIANT on buffs so is very versatile
  I know y'all complain about everything but at some point y'all need to be serious for once.
  Kabam did a VERY GOOD JOB with her.

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• JLordVileJ Member Posts: 3,372 ★★★★

  October 1

  Summoners choice doesn't mean broken, curb your herc expectations

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• Bendy Member Posts: 5,939 ★★★★★

  October 1

  NONYABIZZ said:

  Shatras damage is not mid, you literally can spam back to back sp2's, which TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO ACQUIRE.
  Shathra is a very good mystic champion, has atrophy, works very well against serpent can take alot of cosmic defenders and is NON RELIANT on buffs so is very versatile
  I know y'all complain about everything but at some point y'all need to be serious for once.
  Kabam did a VERY GOOD JOB with her.

  Shes also better than glad when he dropped so they really did do a good job on her

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• Vance2_jr Member Posts: 737 ★★★

  October 1

  No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.

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• Buttehrs Member Posts: 5,659 ★★★★★

  October 1

  Just because herc was super op and broken doesn't mean all summoners choice champs must be as well. If anything, they'd nerf herc if they could. They've even said as much. On the other hand, shathra is by no means bad and nefaria is not 1000% better champ than she is. They just do different things.

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• altavista Member Posts: 1,412 ★★★★

  October 1

  Vance2_jr said:

  No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.

  May I ask how it makes Ham (or other spider champs) killer? Because it just looks like poison immunity and unblockable specials, which don't particularly seem like things that synergize much with Spider champion playstyles. In contrast, Galan's Herald gets unblockable specials plus the unblockable lasts beyond that, which synergizes with Cosmic Buff heavy playstyles.

  As to OP - until a bunch of players get Nefaria and Shathra into their hands and do extensive testing, no one can convincingly argue that Nefaria >>> Shathra. Nefaria might seem to have a huge list of abilities compared to Shathra, but that doesn't mean that he is better.

  And, you are mistaking what the purpose of the Community choice vote is. It is not to vote on who will be an amazing champion because they are the vote winner; it is to vote on who will appear in the game sooner rather than later.

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• Bendy Member Posts: 5,939 ★★★★★

  October 1

  altavista said:

  Vance2_jr said:

  No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.

  May I ask how it makes Ham (or other spider champs) killer? Because it just looks like poison immunity and unblockable specials, which don't particularly seem like things that synergize much with Spider champion playstyles. In contrast, Galan's Herald gets unblockable specials plus the unblockable lasts beyond that, which synergizes with Cosmic Buff heavy playstyles.

  As to OP - until a bunch of players get Nefaria and Shathra into their hands and do extensive testing, no one can convincingly argue that Nefaria >>> Shathra. Nefaria might seem to have a huge list of abilities compared to Shathra, but that doesn't mean that he is better.

  And, you are mistaking what the purpose of the Community choice vote is. It is not to vote on who will be an amazing champion because they are the vote winner; it is to vote on who will appear in the game sooner rather than later.

  The synergy for ham lets taunt last longer and sp2 pauses the reset timer but basically can stack more on

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• Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,381 ★★★★★

  October 1

  I don’t understand the Shathra hate. She has some cool stuff, she’s not mid at least like a lot of other champs this year

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• Super_Cretu90 Member Posts: 157 ★

  October 1

  JLordVileJ said:

  Summoners choice doesn't mean broken, curb your herc expectations

  Good one, but I agree with you.

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• pseudosane Member, Guardian Guardian › Posts: 3,953 Guardian

  October 1

  She hasnt been in the game two weeks and she is already mid? Dang you move fast.

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• DNA3000 Member, Guardian Guardian › Posts: 19,422 Guardian

  October 1

  WhiteKnight said:

  Can we maybe have an explanation as to why the SUMMONER CHOICE WINNER is a mid tier champ and yet the random champ released the same month is leagues beyond her?

  That's easy. Whenever there is a summoner's choice champion there will be those players who have ludicrous expectations for that champion and will grade them on a completely different curve than any other champion, because they are operating under the delusion that because the champion is a summoner's choice champion the developers have an obligation to go out of their way to make them as overpowered as possible.

  That, and champion evaluations in the first couple weeks are completely untrustworthy. Historically speaking, they don't even bat .500 when it comes to long term champion value.

  So, the explanation is: unrealistic expectations combine with inaccurate evaluations to produce a lot of unjustified whining.

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• EdisonLaw Member Posts: 6,373 ★★★★★

  October 1

  Emilia90 said:

  I don’t understand the Shathra hate. She has some cool stuff, she’s not mid at least like a lot of other champs this year

  People are expecting another Hercules

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• WhiteKnight Member Posts: 509 ★★★

  October 1

  I understand that Shathras value may increase like others have; but Nefarias abilities, immunities and damage potential is much higher off the bat.

  Historically, champions like Shathra don't get as much attention as champions like Nefaria and end up falling into the category of 'unique' rank up.

  She is great for very unique match ups, but those matchups can be done by other champs and a champ that can do some fights very well doesn't have same value as a champ that can do most fights well, aswell as unique fights very well.

  And I understand the expectation of some players that all summoner choice champs should be Herc level, I specifically said the opposite just most of yall didn't read that I guess? Personally, I would expect summoner choice champs to be the best or at least in contention for best champ of the year and, from a lackluster year of releases, she is outshined by Nefaria (released same month) and massively outshined by Serpent.

  Maybe 'mid' is bad terminology but is she top tier? Would you rank her over Tigra as a 6*, absman 6*? Kushala? Or even over Nefaria??!

  Realistically, Nefaria is designed to be better and more valuable than Shathra because he was a buyable champ and not $30 buyable, hundreds of dollars he HAD to be better, even best champ of year otherwise nobody would participate in the next sale they release for a new champ. Shathra was doomed to be the lesser champ since that choice was made... if she took Nefarias place as a sale item, this thread wouldn't exist I guarantee

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• victor158 Member Posts: 106 ★

  October 1 edited October 1

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVgDMNEoN4

  mid champ fr. please never use her

  edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.

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• BringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,527 ★★★★★

  October 1

  Summoner choice or not they are always subject to review... Gladiator was trash at release

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• Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,224 ★★★★★

  October 2

  Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.

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• Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,421 ★★★★★

  October 2

  WhiteKnight said:

  May as well scrap the summoner choice if they going to continue being underwhelming, why gey people excited for such a crapfest?

  “gey people”?

  I hope that’s some odd typo and not what I think.

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• Nightheart Member Posts: 2,075 ★★★★

  October 2

  Shahtra is a better champ than Gladiator

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• HuskerCool Member Posts: 145 ★

  October 2

  Colinwhitworth69 said:

  WhiteKnight said:

  May as well scrap the summoner choice if they going to continue being underwhelming, why gey people excited for such a crapfest?

  “gey people”?

  I hope that’s some odd typo and not what I think.

  Likely meant ‘get’

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• DNA3000 Member, Guardian Guardian › Posts: 19,422 Guardian

  October 2

  WhiteKnight said:

  Realistically, Nefaria is designed to be better and more valuable than Shathra because he was a buyable champ and not $30 buyable, hundreds of dollars he HAD to be better, even best champ of year otherwise nobody would participate in the next sale they release for a new champ. Shathra was doomed to be the lesser champ since that choice was made... if she took Nefarias place as a sale item, this thread wouldn't exist I guarantee

  I wish there was some way to actually take these bets. Because then I wouldn't be reading the forums, I would be owning the forums. And the game, and the studio, and the publisher, and most of South Korea by now.

  No I'm not kidding, not even a little bit.

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• BringPopcorn Member Posts: 4,527 ★★★★★

  October 2

  Voting something and not performing as expected.... If only happened in MCoC...

• WednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,108 ★★★

  October 2

  Bendy said:

  She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

  She doesn't have the best atrophy, that's kindred

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• victor158 Member Posts: 106 ★

  October 2

  WednesdayLength said:

  Bendy said:

  She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

  She doesn't have the best atrophy, that's kindred

  yea hers is 70%, his is 30% but u can stack 3. the only difference is that shathra seems to actually have damage compared to kindred

• PT_99 Member Posts: 4,128 ★★★★★

  October 2

  Bendy said:

  She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

  Lol no,
  Only thing she does to him is atrophy, her sp2 damage is laughable at best, power steal doesn't do anything to Serpent and outside of sp2, she hits like damageless vision.

• PT_99 Member Posts: 4,128 ★★★★★

  October 2 edited October 2

  victor158 said:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVgDMNEoN4

  mid champ fr. please never use her

  edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.

  "Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?"
  😀👍
  Forume MEMEber strike again.

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• PT_99 Member Posts: 4,128 ★★★★★

  October 2

  Nemesis_17 said:

  Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.

  She's not a serpent counter, takes equal or more time that Chavez, Wiccan, wolf, Wigra takes 🙄
  

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• WhiteKnight Member Posts: 509 ★★★

  October 2

  Aha @PT_99 you legend 🤣

  But yeh, she's good in certain situations but I personally aint ranking a champ for certain situations over champs that works for 90% of fights.

  End of the day, people voted for Shathra, we're excited for Shathra and she's been over shadowed by Nefaria and Serpent this year, not how it's supposed to be.

  And on what Popcorn said, Glad got buffed so I'm really hoping she will but I can't see it. Kabam will say she does what she needs to do and the biggest buff she needs is immunities added (which gladiator didn't get) and better power control which hers isn't terrible don't get me wrong she works well against power gain buffs but not against passive power gain like what we have in VT rn and what we have in war

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